we will get to all of this but let's start with why you're back in the news. you along with apparently steve bannon are saying, it is bad in the white house. >> very bad. does donald trump get in it your view? >> i don't know if he gets it. i've heard from people who have talked to him. what i've heard he is that he is listening to this guy, ty cobb. from my perspective, he is playing defense. ty cobb -- >> you're talking about -- >> he's a lawyer. correct. he came in. ty cobb, they had him brought in once when kelly came in. he was part of this whole new regime. >> to cooperate with mueller. and bannon says that's a terrible idea. have you talked with steve bannon about this. >>? let me not say whether or not i've talked to anyone. >> it sounds like a yes. >> it sounds like a yes. >> because it would be easier to say no. >> what i would say in general, what i've heard from alan