chair, orrin hatch and myself, ranking democrat, agreeing to set in motion a process to obtain the tax return, have the finance committee look it over if get them to go along, yes would be a policy for making them public. i say respectfully, not been able to get republican support. >> it's a concrete action they can take if concerned where this is headed. also about the president's power to pardon federal crimes is well nigh absolute, if he were to do it and many think that's manafort's angle here, what could congress or people do? >> i feel this pardon issue is not unlike firing bob mueller. if you're even looking at that, thinking about the pardon process at this point, i think you're going to be triggering a