they hit the number this time, but it's not -- isis as it wants to be. isis the great terrorist organization with a state that can carry out complex attacks. >> right. considering how we've raeshgted, considering how the president's reacted and i say, "we" collectivecollec collective we, how much attention in hayes g attention, more or less of this? meaning, they'll try to do more the these disruptions in major western cities around the world to see what they can get away with? >> there's always a copycat attack. >> in some ways this is a copycat attack, absolutely. doing if it in europe. the way isis has been doing this. >> the last few dozen attacks. >> nice, a bigger deal with this, until they come up with a different kind of attack be a