really spending his remaining active years in federal prison, not a good proposition. >> when you look at the team that robert mueller has assembled. for example, andrew wiseman, he's expected to be an expert on colleagues. the go to guy when it comes to appeals cases. greg andreas who once managed a justice department program, targeting illegal foreign bribery. if you have papadopoulos as a cooperating witness, what do you have him doing? >> if it were my cooperating witness, don't forget, he started cooperating in july. i'd have him start playing dial a crook and meet a crook, wearing a wire, so he could get people to basically admit to all the stuff that he's telling the government. he would be trying to cooperate and get as much evidence as he could for the government, so that he gets the zero years in prison that he has under the federal sentencing guidelines.