>> manafort and gates, i think you mean. and i appreciate you, with the arc behind you, you are in paris and joining us on this big day today. thank you for making that special effort. >> thank you. >> and ari melber, let's make up on that point. they aren't cooperating with the way they are being treated by the special prosecutor. what is the significance of papadopoulos as a witness? >> it is huge. it shows that an individual from the trump campaign is pleading guilty and cooperating about kremlin-backed intermediaries offers or attempts to discuss hillary clinton's e-mails and alleged dirt. i think the three headlines today number one aides to a president indicted more than any other president in the modern era. that's bad. number two, money trail going to paul manafort but predates the trump campaign which is some kind of silver lining if you