joining us now from alabama, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, joyce white vance. and in washington law professor at george washington university, jonathan turly. great day to have you both on. thank you very much. joyce vance, can we talk about the -- is it -- is it correct to discuss the possibility of mueller being fired given the pattern of this president? and what would the potential consequences of that be? >> i think we have to discuss it based on the pattern of conduct that we've seen over time. and other than perhaps some editorial writing being done in one news outlet, i haven't seen anyone who thinks it's a good idea to bring this investigation to a premature end. so one hopes that people are preparing to support bob mueller if this president decides that the time comes to fire him. >> jonathan turly, do you agree?