talking about it that it was a little surprising to me. >> it's something that you never get over. i was the type -- i didn't even hunt. i didn't kill nothing. i was about -- i was john denver all the way. you know? i think about it often. you know? i do. but to live in here, to live in here, to be honest, i had to put it out of my mind. that's the only way you can deal with it. only way i can deal with it. >> it was interesting for me to watch how lawrence chose to deal with the vast amount of time he had to serve. he was very involved in the leather shop. and then he also had these little rocks on to which he would paint these intricate and elaborate tableaus. >> i'm going to put that mountain scene right there on the back of this one. purple mountain majesty thing, you know? it's time consuming but it is