>> i think it depends to a great extend on who gets indicted if this indictment does materialize on monday and what the indictment is for. to the point of one of your previous guests, this scandal has gotten a lot of coverage, but it's going to become a lot more real for a lot of people who don't follow this obsessively. when there are criminal charges and when it's not rumor and argument about whether something bad happened or not, but a criminal case, meeting a standard where they're able to get a grand jury to indict. that will draw a lot of attention. that said, because this like so many special counsel investigations has gotten pretty sprawling, it's possible we'll see sdiindictments for matters t are not closely related to donald trump's and russia's involvement in the election. stuff with paul manafort's finances and the like. if the indictment is peripheral like that, the white house will be able to say, they didn't find anything core on russia on collusion, which is not to say that bob mueller won't later, but they'll seize on that now it that happens. and you'll see this odd effort