primaries and bush-ism and obama and obama-ism in the general. so -- we all, i think, know president trump pretty well. look at, criticizing me. >> of course. >> they created these problems that i'm left with. that's how he probably is taking this. >> and will probably say if he ever has to, where this is a badge of pride, shows i'm draining the swamp. shows that -- >> his 37% will say, right on. >> a sign he's doing what he was elected to do. all true. so immediately i don't think we're going to see a drop in his poll ratings next week because barack obama and george w. bush criticized him think ways, but looking ahead a couple of years, it is likely, if donald trump runs as a republican in 2020, which i think is still an open question, it's not impossible he might choose to go independent if he wants to run for re-election. this begins to late the predicate for a john kasich or someone like that to run against