trump would say you're again reaching out and fighting with those communities of color. and this is not good, sir, don't do this. >> well, that's right. i mean, clearly he's open to that criticism. but this thing that pence is particularly egregious, they knew full well that players would take a knee at the gauge and to spend all that tax dollars, especially after we've just seen the health and human services secretary tom price dismissed over his cavalier use of chartered jets, to spend all the money flying from california to indianapolis to acts all indignant about something that he knew would happen is absurd. they could well have -- he could well have canceled his visit to indianapolis and just said, you know, i'm not going to go to an nfl game while people are taking a knee and that is fine. that is an opinion. but it would not have had the