compare him to john kerry and formers secretaries of state, yes. in terms of the competence of this administration -- >> that's the joke, tillerson, his heart isn't in the job. he doesn't talk to anybody in the press. he doesn't talk to anybody at foggy bottom in the building. he sits in his office, he looks depressed. he's not into it. everyone said he was going to do some state department reorganization and let the job go so all i'm saying is the joke is we are all talking about the stability of the team. he probably shouldn't be on the team. but if he were to leave the team now it would look like a disaster. >> it might be a joke but it's not funny. when you asked donny and i, the point is with all of this, we are talking about the iran deal not recertified next week or the congress, we are talking about what's going on possibly with north korea and all, and you roll out the secretary of state to have a press conference about whether he called you a moron and he doesn't even deny it, and