even though they with respect in the room. and that's sort of suggests there's an atmosphere there in the trump administration where it's not surprising and ultimately not surprising that a secretary would call the president a moron. >> i don't think rex tillerson wanted to be secretary of state from the day he was confirmed and asked by the president to be secretary of state. i think he thought it was his duh toy do. he's made common cause with secretary mattis and nonetheless this is a man unhappy. he doesn't have a staff. he has only a small group of people he holds close to him, a loner and very interesting. when secretary sessions was being humiliated by the president of the united states, you had many people come to his defense. even democrats who didn't vote for his confirmation thought it was outrageous. quite frankly, i haven't seen a whole lot of people come to the defense of secretary tillerson because he's really made himself a loner in washington and you can't get things done that way.