not care all that much who the next hhs secretary is. >> well, you know, the hhs secretary is going to have a lot of ability to undermine obamacare if he or she chooses. so i think that -- and obviously that job is a pretty big job and important one in the country. so whether or not donald trump cares particularly about that department compared to others, i think the american public has a good reason to care a lot about who is going to be in there next. one of the interesting aspects of this sorry is that the immediate replacement is a deputy assistant secretary, which is pretty far down the totem poll in a cabinet agency and, you know, you wouldn't expect that that would be where you would draw the next person from, but obviously the cupboard is pretty bear right now at a lot of these agencies because there have not been people nominated and confirmed. >> this is pretty tricky because the president doesn't generally like to say anyone around him has done anything wrong unless he's going after them like he was with jeff sessions.