walk it back from where we are now? >> well, this is the problem when you really increase rhetoric to this degree and make it very personal. i think mr. trump is limiting our own options by talking this way because right now, wooer we trying to get international coalition together to press the kim regime through sanctions and other pressure measures but we're now looking foolish ourselves. i think this really counterproductive, this rhetoric boxes us in. because north koreans are going to continue with their nuclear program. they're going to continue to perfect their nuclear arsenal. what are we going to do? if we don't react, we look like paper tiger. but if we take military option as the general said, it's catastrophic consequences. even if we win the war. >> again, it was partially our attempt to talk about scary things here tonight because it is a scary part of the world. as is the rhetoric right now. our great thanks, as always, to barry mccaffrey, and sue mi terry. thank you, both. up next, after our next