creation of policy or in republicans' electoral calculations. >> and not only that josh. one of the remarkable things watching all of these different legislative attempts, it's almost been like a political science experiment. because there's so much bizarre behavior. i mean, interest groups carry a lot of sway on capitol hill. they really carry a lot of sway on these sorts of issues. health care, for instance. here you have everyone, like everyone from like the most sort of benign march of dimes to like lefties like the nurses unions to very conservative organizations like ahip, the american medical association. everyone saying, don't do this, don't do this. and the republicans still trying to do it. >> well, but they failed. and i think -- or they appear to have failed. and i think that interest group opposition is a reason for that. but i think you're right that a lot of the behavior here has been inexplicable. for example the reason jimmy kimmel has been so prominent is that senator bill cassidy, the