and they tried to manay ed tiede campaign, through agents of influence. >> do you think it's possible if they're going to want to find out if manafort was a russian plant? is that one of the questions they want to answer? >> they're going to want to know if there were ties between paul manafort and russia, whether they were financial or otherwise, that caused him to in effect do russia's bidding. and whether wittingly or unwittingly doing work on behalf of the russians. and did trump know about it, did he know what manafort was doing, and did he know what flynn was doing and when he found out about the investigation why did he try to -- >> it's always this sort of incomp tense defense. is that a legal defense, we