that trump lawyers are clashing over how much to cooperate with the russia inquiry. this debate has pitted the white house counsel, that's don mcgahn on the right side, against ty cobb who is managing the president's response to the russia investigation. ken vogel is "the new york times" investigative reporter writing this piece, breaking the news. joining me is dana milbank, reporter for "the washington post." ken, you overheard this revealing conversation at a popular d.c. steakhouse not far from the white house between two of the president's lawyer at dinner. update our audience. i want to put a couple key quotes from that conversation attributable to the white house lawyer ty cobb so the viewers have a better sense of what you overheard. you heard cobb saying, basically, the white house counsel's office is being very conservative with this stuff. our view is we're not hiding anything. he referenced white house lawyer don mcgahn, white house counsel,