us, talking loud as can be next to you in a restaurant. >> yeah. it was surprising. that was part of the confrontation that the white house counsel and john kelly, the chief of staff, were frustrated. expressed their frustration with ty cobb, the internal lawyer representing the president and the white house in the investigation, for his carelessness in the handling of this incredibly sensitive topic. to be talking about it at a restaurant where you could be overheard by anyone. i happened to be there. it was in the sidewalk seating area of the restaurant, so passersby could have heard, waiters and any other diner. this is not what you want to be discussing in that setting. >> no doubt, but from john kelly's perspective, the argument, tighten up your game, this isn't a ship that i want to run, can don mcgahn make this argue amount, or is his issue he can face his own legal issues?