integrity. we talk to them about honesty and prove ability everything that she said except for the fact that she says these are the worst president, these are all things that can be proven. none of this would be happening if it weren't for the fact that she's a woman, african-american, that she's speaking from a sports outlet. but the conversation that she's having and telling the world that donald trump is a white supremacist, that's something we talk about all the time because it's true. >> it's interesting you brought that up. do you think it would have been any different if she did not work for a sports network? people want to go and they want to see their headlines and scores and highlights and maybe that's not the reason they're watching cable news. >> the first problem is that sports has never been apolitical. and in this moment we're seeing sports teams taking sides colin kaepernick. this is the miami heat from a few years ago. this is even at the college level with the university of missouri football team in 2015, forcing the president out by