wouldn't say george bush is a white supremacist. i have a problem with his policies. i can make an argument how they affect black people in a negative way? right. >> i wouldn't argue he's a white supremacist. i wouldn't argue mitt romney is a white supremacist. >> in terms of the essential core of what he is doing -- >> i don't think he's president without it. i think that's the huge difference. it's not a side. it's not like bush 1 for instance with willie horton, which was bad, by the way, right? not definite. this is a thing in order to get over. it's the core of him. he began his career in birtherrism. it wasn't along the way. that was what kicked it off. so i think in that sense, he's different. >> there's a real question i think about sometimes about trump and i think about ross perot. >> right. >> where i think about it. i remember living through the ross perot phenomenon and thinking there was all these pieces like the two-party system