tell if we're starting to get paranoid or it is justified. and then it seems like the paranoia is the part of the interference. >> the russians don't even have done anything to keep the paranoia going. 2018, we're of course going to wonder when the elections come out if the numbers are real. there will be a real fear that your vote doesn't come out. >> not only fear about that. the times article highlighted, systems break down all the time. i've worked around elections for most of my adult life. and this election problem here. now you have this doubt in the back of your mind. >> that's right. president obama did add elections to the critical infrastructure. the russians would have a very