what do you make of the fact that possibly robert mueller is working with new york attorney general eric schneiderman. >> i think it is a message. i was appalled by the pardon in and of itself. you are forgiving a contempt of court which cannot enforce judicial proceedings if it can't hold a witness in contempt or a defendant in contempt. and it was for violating civil rights. it's bad in and of itself. but i heard it definitely as a message, hang tight, don't worry. you may lose the fifth amendment privilege because i'll pardon your original crime. but i'll also pardon you if you refuse to testify. i think it was a very bad thing. i think it is a very good thing that the state attorney general is now involved because that is something the president cannot obstruct. and he cannot impede it because he has no power against the state. so that's -- that's a good thing. and i think that they should