my sources told me today the cooperation has been ongoing for at least a month. so my sense is that probably mid, late summer, could have been early summer. but about two or three months or so. >> josh, one last question for you. the way this fits into my understanding of what's going on with the mueller inquiry is paul manafort isn't just sort of at the center of the bull's-eye, it feels like he's his own gigantic target at this point. they really seem to be treating him differently from other people who are associated with this case. the fbi raid, subpoenaing one of his lawyers, now this news about potentially bringing in state level law enforcement as well. do you have any insight into that, any sense about whether or not that perception is accurate? >> well, we certainly have not seen those sorts of ratcheting up like michael flynn or others in the case. the trump tower meeting, with supposedly on hillary clinton,