his business past bear on the question of trump campaign collusion with russia? that we don't know yet. but that's where this is all going. >> well, if you are trump, you must wonder, did i start this or did the russians start this? at some point you go, you know how russians do, you meet a pretty girl on the subway platform, lfrls you are having a relationship, all of a sudden she is a spy, are you a fool. you are shaking your head, i think that's russian trade craft. >> i think what we have here is the fundamental question that everyone must answer, before they do anything, is, is this a russian operation? was this a large scale long-term operation in which they tap their asset, palm manafort to come out and try to manipulate this? i think that's where this is going. >> as i mentioned earlier, according to "wall street journal" again, mueller's team is looking into michael flynn's role with an effort to work with hackers to obtain hillary clinton's deleted e-mails. in fact, last july, president trump openly called on russia to fine those e-mails.