the rest of the country still scratches their heads about. >> we just did a fact check. i'm sure you saw it. there's fact checks every day about what the president says. politifact is working overtime. do they matter? >> i don't think they really matter. i think we've been talking about this for two years, that his base, it's not huge. it was enough for him to win in a very freaky election year. but it stays with him. they like the lying. you know, they -- >> they like the fighting is what they like. >> they like the fighting, the baiteding, the attacking. you feel it when you're in those rooms, which we all have been. and it's not going away. i mean, what i've been struck by, though, is that he seems to have gotten worse with the racial dog whistles or fog horns, whatever you want to say, ever since the news that he was about to fire bannon and then he fired bannon. it's like he's had to double down on his own rhetoric to prove that he's not going soft, he's still the racially divisive