ensure that it's never a haven for any groups, that the government controls it, well, it's an entirely different strategy. that's focusing on building the afghanistan government, the afghan military. that's a much, much longer timeline. but it's the only way you can ensure that you're not having to do counterterrorism in the country forever. >> doug ollavant, thank you very much for being with us live from washington. >> thank you. >> you're coming back, don't go too far. you should be because it's pretty impressive here. two senators from this state have seen two administrations debate what to do in afghanistan. one of those lawmakers susan collins is joining us next. we're talking war strategy, the gop agenda and, of course, her pivotal no-vote on health care. we talked with some folks in maine about that a little earlier. >> actually, susan collins really voted well. i'm proud of her. i'm proud of her for sticking to her guns. or this john smith.