ratings weren't really down after the election. the funny thing or the interesting thing when you listed all those athletes who some people are against and some people are for and maybe americans don't really recognize a couple of those names, curt flood, the two runners from the mexican olympics, but they remember muhammed ali and remember the athletes that were great. athletic greatness will transcend all of this and that's the great thing about marshawn lynch or especially michael bennett, a great player kneeling down. chris long, joining malcolm jenkins. if you get these great players saying we're on kaepernick's side, i think it will change the discussion a little bit. >> at the collegiate level when you had football players refusing to play unless there were significant changes in some of these administrations, that's when the teams took notice. do the nfl players have that kind of leverage, though, in terms of their contracts? both of you guys can handle that. >> well, that's always been a challenge and they have not historically had that kind of leverage in the past. but what happened just this