face of it. now he's unshackled. he's liberated. can he do and operate however he wants. remember, this is not a person who is meant to serve at the pleasure of anybody. he ran breitbart like a dictator. he is a dictatorial type of figure so it makes sense it didn't work well when he had to report to a chief of staff and run his ideas by people before he could do them. he likes to operate freely. now can he and that's bad news for those remaining at the white house, bad news for congressional leadership, leaders like paul ryan, mitch mcconnell. it will make life a lot more difficult for the white house because now steve has no limitations, nothing holding him back. >> kurt, you know, you made the point that it's not clear that bannon ever really left. we were talking about this, never left breitbart which is an ethical question, whether he was still technically there. were you surprised he gave an interview to "the weekly standard" which he said "the trump presidency that we fought for and won is over" he said friday shortly after confirming his departure.