scenes. you know bannon's departure is really -- it shows the power of these folks but it shows the power and influence of kelly. i'm told that kelly had enough and it was his decision for it to play out this week. >> kelly o, pull back the lens for us. when i think of the bannon/trump relationship, i mean, i laid it out at the beginning that he was sort of the devil on the shoulder, do it, do it, inflame racial tension, do it, undermine the general, do it, do it, talk about pulling out of nafta and the tpp even though it goes against long standing commitments. do it, do it, trash article 5 of our agreements and commitments to our european allies. and now that he's gone, do you think there's any sort of false optimism that those instincts that already exist in donald trump will be less sort of visible to the outsider?