would totally believe he was doing this to send a signal, but the parts of it that go beyond what bannon would ever say on the record are the bits where he does sound like he's the president, where he's talking about personally moving stuff around and particularly the bit where he undercuts the president on north korea, which is the bit that really caught his colleagues' attention. >> you said he actually called the author and praised him? >> he saw an ally on china. he thought the author and him were of the same view on china. bannon's a china hawk. he thinks that america is in an economic war with china. he sees this as the most important issue. i could actually see bannon almost not thinking of this guy as a reporter but rather an ideological ally, even though ironically he's at a far left publication. i know that sounds crazy but honestly, it my honest reading of what happened here. >> jonathan, there's another