than tweets is is he instigating? is there -- i mean, i know leaders in charlottesville think that's a string that can be drawn between the two. >> i think there's some connection -- there have been some connections. i don't mean to minimize. lack of leadership is very bad. the things he's done from the birther movement on are bad. and the damage -- the real damage has been done. what can we do? we can try to get jeff sessions the attorney general who's very conservative, but ultimately i think a decent man to make the kind of statement he made saturday night which went way above president trump. we can get others in government to do the right thing. we can urge senators and especially republicans obviously to step up. i think there's been some heartening evidence this was a step too far for them to keep quiet and keep on accommodating and rationalizing a president of their party. many other leaders in american civil society, synagogues and whoever can play a bigger role. i'm not minimizing the role of