top notch lawyers and then we learned about a grand jury being used to look into this and now we learn about this raid. it makes it harder and harder for trump to say this is much to do about nothing. this isn't a real thing and this has nothing to do with me. it starts to look more and more what americans expect for an actual investigation that can lead to something real. >> paul manafort has name has come up repeatedly when we were talking about the special counsel and the investigation, as well. >> it is significant because others have surfaced like robert page and stone who didn't have a significant relationship with the trump campaign. >> the white house tried to say it. they're trying to say it. nobody believes it. >> paul manafort is one of the satellite associates. campaign manager and one of the -- >> de facto campaign manager, if not by title. he is still doing it. >> involve would the trump campaign for a significant period of time until close to the very end.