that people are leaking so-called classified information, but there's a real thing in the united states about the degree to which we classify information that probably shouldn't be classified. >> well, that's right. there is tons of things that get a kind of secret stamp that's really, you know, more for bureaucratic self-preservation to use a polite term than it is about any real national security import. and the fact is that, you know, often journalists are asked not to publish something that might endanger troops, say, or, you know accident have a real implication for national security. >> and that's fair. and i think most of us fully subscribe to that. >> exactly. they do abide by that and i think usually they can work those things out in advance. so i think the bottom line is, look, prosecutors need to have discretion when it comes to, you know, what media cases they pursue. i think for the most part the justice department has been