it's a family business. donald trump has run his enterprises with his kids in power and floating in and out and him taking personal ownership. it's difficult to run a government that way. and he's finding these challenges in the white house, i think, jared and ivanka are trying to take or at least signal they're going to take a backseat to kelly for the moment. i can't imagine that's going to last. they have a huge amount of influence with their father and will continue to try to exercise that. as does don junior and melania donald trump and eric trump. >> i don't think they've signalled they're taking a backseat, unless alongside means a backseat. >> alongside does not mean a backseat, but i'm told that kelly has made it clear that everybody is going to theoretically report to him, including them, but again, they'll have the ear of the president and be able to work their own process around kelly, i'm sure. phil, thank you. and still ahead on "morning joe," republican senator jeff flake has taken on donald trump