recovery act, that usually flowes from the white house. it seems to me they are at a crossroads and in danger of that. the big sign post thing that president puts his signature on, not actually happen. >> well and it changes everyday. >> if i read this right, what president trump and senators will try do is just cut taxes for rich people and call it tax reform and blow a hole in the budges that my grandsons clayton and leo and milo have to pay for in 20 and 30 and 50 years. >> all right, senator brown, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thanks, chris. >> next, the president threatens to sabotage obamacare at the expense of millions of americans. that, coming up. the affordable care act is in fact not in a death spiral.