no particular job that puts you closer to the epicenter of the d.c. beltway than being the president's chief of staff. my understanding based on conversations with current and former officials, with folks who have worked with him in the past, is this isn't a gig he was jonesing for, and how i view it as a big part of the reason he took this position is that the president asked him too, right? secretary kelly is not a political ladder climber. obviously you have to have some sort of political background to get to be a four-star general, but this isn't someone who based on my understanding had any sort of electoral ambitions. but given his time in the military, give his understanding of the importance of authority, hierarchy, chains of command, if the president asked him to do something, which is obviously the case, he wouldn't say no. and i think the important counterpart to that is in the same way that general kelly didn't want to say no to the president, he'll expect his subordinates not to say no to him. that's why you're seeing scaramucci on his way out with potentially others to follow. >> al, my experience in politics