is entirely the victim of this. but anyway, he wants to fire mueller. >> what's the standoff? >> the attack on sessions is a test by trump. i think he's a crazy in his own way, but he's cunning like a fox in some degree. clever like a fox. he wanted to test the waters of how far he can go. if he can get support among his base for firing jeff sessions then i think pushing him out, if sessions resigns then he tells rosenstein to fire mueller and rosenstein says no. he fires rosenstein and mueller -- >> and i think rachel -- she would stand up for the rule of law. >> i'm not saying -- >> it's -- if donald trump -- >> i don't think he can pull this off, but i don't think he's entirely being just -- you know, he has a plan in mind. his plan is to get rid of bob mueller because as mark leibovich said he's scare odd of the russia investigation. >> go back to crazy for a second. i mean, you posited -- you stood at the fork of the road. i mean, if he's crazy, is it