embassy at. but the same time he asked about any existing communications channel while president obama was in office. eliana, i'll start with you. does that also seem to you like something that stands out here in this moment or what does from what we expect to hear from kushner today? >> that, to me, the back channel communications was by far the most damming kushner-related allegation going into this meeting. and i think the thing that senate staffers are going to be most interested in figuring out. did he seek to establish one? what were the details surrounding it and what exactly happened there? i think his participation in this meeting with trump jr. is less interest and it's far easier to believe that he wandered into it. that he didn't read the e-mail. and he's going to have a lot more explaining to do about the back channel communications. that's very concerning. >> kelsey, he papts thints this picture of essentially being