out. >> heidi? >> there's the legal, and we don't know because it's never happened before, and then there's the political. i think the political is much more clear cut that this has to be the red line for those republicans who are just not willing to step up to the plate on challenging trump. if he did that, i think it would ignite a firestorm because you don't need a pardon unless you've done something wrong. i think the impeachment bells would be ringing on capitol hill. >> all right, heidi, john, guys, thank you both so much. coming up next, the congressman who wants the fib to review ivanka trump's security clearance and also wants her husband's clearance revoked. what might ted lieu say about jared kushner's new financial disclosures? i'll speak with the democratic congressman from california next. comfortable you are in it.