that room? and he swore high up that he didn't. and i asked walter alexander for the cell phone. and he kind of threw the cell phone to me. until i was in the car driving back to our hotel, that this guy had actually pointed a gun at him. now earlier in the day when he had -- when he was talking to me trying to get me to let him come -- i didn't hire him, he said it was for free and all that, he did show me -- i didn't know this guy, you know. i knew the alexander guy, but i didn't know this guy. he showed me his license, he showed me his ccr. you know, i assumed that the state gives a ccr and stuff, they vetted him. i should have vetted him. i didn't really need him. i knew these guys weren't dangerous. >> all right. your version of the offenses differ a little bit than the official records, mr. simpson.