undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and affairs at the state department tp the former managing editor of "time" magazine and phillip rucker is back with us. phillip you're the closest to this you will of a us. i'd like to begin by asking you to describe the kushner/trump relationship and as a subset of that >> yeah. >> do you believe with any seriousness we're looking at a possible loss of his security clearance? >> well, to describe the relationship, i mean these two are family. jared kushner is the son-in-law but also in some ways trump's protest he. he has risen up in trump's real estate and in the few field of politics and policy. he is the adviser the president turns to the most inside the white house when it comes to foreign policy. he almost functions as a shadow secretary of state. he is taking the lead on the middle east, taking the lead on the u.s. relationship with china.