>> energy. >> that don't yield too much. i think one of the issues for president trump is he's had one solo press conference. he's had a couple with international leaders. but only one by himself, which is a historically low amount. he hasn't given a big address to the nation, aside from his joint speech to congress. not doing a lot to sort of move people outside of his base. so, i think talking more to those people could prove a benefit to getting the national attention on it. >> you're sort of laughing, mack, but isn't this exactly what you would recommend for the president? >> to a point. i was not laughing, i was kind of -- in a respectful way. but i think you make an excellent point. i think it's fine. president reagan and mike really invented the photo-op and the message of the day. that's how all of this is now moving forward in a very different age of communication. but it's a little bit like mike tyso tyson. you get hit by the first punch. you have to get hit by some