business world where he's been able to kind of shade the truth and get away with a lot of things and in some cases thrive because of it and now he's a public official the ramifications are severe and the expectations for truthfulness and for obeying the traditional legal boundaries are very real. >> kelly, can part of this be explained by donald trump being somebody who was a reality show host, somebody who was in the tv spotlight, somebody who spent an entire lifetime battling with the press and battling with his opponents, battling with other business developers, battling with the city, just somebody who relished in a fight. >> and the force of his personality often was the difference for him in those kind of instances. he is certainly been litigious in his business life, but the stakes are different. we are talking about criminal and civil penalties so it's a different level. but political penalties are