>> if someone comes waving around the promise of dirt, you take the meeting. >> i began my career in opposition research. the first several years i was involved in politics i was a low level junior research staffer. that included on a wide variety of campaigns. i've never heard of anybody agreeing to meet with any sort of foreigner to obtain dirt on their point. let let a kaenlt lawyer, or an australian lawyer. we're talking about an adversary of the united states. that is to influence our election. and look, i'll no legal expert but i think it is totally bogus to suggest that it was okay because they didn't actually obtain any useful information. that's a pretty lame excuse. and one that i just don't think a lot of people will buy. >> i want to talk about a piece you wrote.