>> so are you saying that an american administration should not collect the widest opinions, the expertise -- >> i'm not making a statement. i'm asking a question. >> i'm asking you. do you have a problem with us talking to professionals in this area who've been there, seen it, done it? >> steve feinberg -- hold on a second. steve feinberg is not a military professional who spent time in afghanistan. >> let me finish. we have -- we have eight years of listening to wonks, okay? the wonks that brought the disastrous decisions to pull out of iraq, to say that we're winning, al qaeda is on the ropes. that's a fantasy land. that's alice in wonderland. we don't listen to the wonkery of the bubble anymore. we listen to practitioners and people who -- >> and how is steve feinberg a practitioner of military leadership in afghanistan? >> we listen to practitioners and we listen to people who have