joining me now, mike pesca, host of podcast. thank you for being here. come on. >> i think that's fine. there's tradition in sports talk radio, you can play the heel. mike's co-host mad dog was a giants fan, not football, baseball team, leads to clashes. >> san francisco giants. >> that's right. add it all up, that's certainly the least of his situation to reflect. >> being a cowboys fan is not a problem? >> that could work. he can make that work. it is churn. in sports radio, you try to elicit emotions, get people mad. seems to be good at that. kind of the opposite of what to do in politics. i think he has good sports knowledge and also that's a little overrated part of the job. there's only four or five sports you have to know, you have to know the local teams and he knows them. good communicator, former prosecutor. rhetorically, when he got in trouble for communication it was more the optics. in terms of verbal