this is like propaganda on steroids. what's the surprise? propaganda? or steroids? the russians have been interested in doing things in american elections since 1920. it was ham handed before. now digital technology has changed things. we have to ask the basic question underlying this. why are they so good at hacking? why are they so good at cyber warfare? and why are we not particularly up to snuff and up to speed? the scary answer may be, their math education system far superior to ours. >> i think you have a good point in terms of human resources and people who are skilled at this. russia is very rich that way. >> true. that sounds -- uncomfortably close to blaming the bank for being ronald. we know that these things can happen. you can penetrate all sorts of