they would prefer it, they don't like the nukes, but if that is what it takes to distract the united states, they will take it. is that their view? >> it absolutely is. and they went to school on what happened in germany when the wall fell. germany combines and after ten years, you see the emergence of this german juggernaut in you're room. they don't want that on that peninsula knowing that ultimately that nation, that unified korean nation would be aligned with the united states are. that is a real nightmare scenario for themle and there is a tactical challenge as well. it's this idea of refugees flowing out in the event of a real war there. so they will do the minimum. they would like to just see the situation muddle along frankly. >> all right. so we know where the russians stand, we know where the chinese stand. let me ask you about the south koreans. the previous administration, the one that ended up getting impeached essentially, seemed to be wanting a more aggressive