so we'll see. the new answers from secretary tillerson were interesting even referencing that the first lady was brought into check on things, that is an unusual anecdote. >> that is an unusual one. a lot of people trying to read between the lines on that one. we'll just let that go and chew on it as well. kelly owe gone he wi'donnelo'do >> are one more thing. melania trump is sitting next to vladimir putin at tonight's dinner. so perhaps there is more follow-on first lady diplomacy to be had. >> perhaps. kelly o'donnell, thank you. joining me now is somebody who has been in plenty of russi russian/be u.s. bilats. ambassador, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> it was certainly -- i was surprised that no member of the national security council, rex are tillerson is a member, but nothing from the official capacity in there. nobody else in that meeting.