>> casey, what do you make of charlie's point that this is neither conservative nor is it a health care solution? what is the marketing job for a bill that is really -- what is it? >> well, i think that's exactly what the leadership have been struggling to try to explain. it's what people on either ends of the conference are saying. you have people like susan collins saying that would devastate poor people in my state and i'm not going to do it. and you have rand paul saying this doesn't repeal obamacare. it's hard to see the point of this legislation. look, i think that -- my sense there's a little bit of coordination on how to approach this town hall, period. this is to a certain extent so far has prevented difficult pictures or video of lots of lawmakers attacking the bill. you see some of those pictures from the house round. there are people doing modified public things.